Podcast

Building a Recruitment Culture That Lasts and Retains Top Talent

Oct 02, 2025
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"If someone's primary motivation or if someone's sole motivation that you have given them is money, then only one competitor needs to pay them more and they'll be gone."

— Nathan Fuller

The recruitment industry often relies on short-term, transactional motivations—hit target, get paid. But what happens when the market slows, or a competitor offers a higher commission? The reality is, if money is the only motivator, your top talent is always one counter-offer away from leaving.

In this insightful episode of Carrot & Stick, CEO Derry Holt challenges two veteran leaders - Nathan Fuller, MD of Kite Human Capital, and Donna, Fractional CRO & Go-to-Market Consultant (formerly of Vincere) - on how to build a recruitment culture that truly lasts. They unpack the crucial shift from a revenue-chasing blind roll to fostering a shared vision where accountability meets profound loyalty, transforming recruitment into a predictable, high-value product.

Derry Holt
Host

Derry Holt

CEO, OneUp Sales
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Nathan Fuller
Guest

Nathan Fuller

MD, Kite Human Capital
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Donna Owen
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Donna Owen

Founder, The Engine
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04:00
Building a Business on Shared Vision and Loyalty
07:40
Motivating Teams When the Market Slows
17:50
Recognition: Why Celebrating the Back Office is Crucial
25:24
The Problem with Quantity-Based Activity KPIs
38:53
Leading Through Change and Generational Gaps
48:16
The Reality of 'Tribal Fit': Why Talent Isn't Enough

What we cover in this episode

Productizing the Service

Building a scalable, resilient recruitment firm requires turning the service into a predictable product, reducing reliance on individual star performers.

The Danger of Money Motivation

If compensation is the primary driver, top talent will leave the moment a competitor offers slightly more; purpose must provide the anchor.

KPIs Must Reflect Outcomes

Leaders must move beyond 'silent metrics' like call volume or MQL count, ensuring activity-based KPIs clearly lead to valuable business outcomes.

Hiring for the Tribe

Talent and work ethic are insufficient; long-term retention requires finding employees whose values and goals align perfectly with the company's culture and vision.

Turn Insight Into Action

Nathan and Donna emphasize that building lasting motivation requires recognizing the full journey—not just the final placement. If your team only sees who is topping the biller board, you miss opportunities to celebrate process compliance, candidate care, and team collaboration.

Stop relying solely on boring spreadsheets. OneUp Sales allows you to track and instantly reward those value-added behaviors, bringing the full picture of success to life through dynamic leaderboards and real-time recognition. Give your team the tools to feel motivated by purpose, not just transactions.

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