Podcast

Why Cold Calling is Essential for Perm Growth

Dec 01, 2025
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"Cold calling is alive. Anyone who says it's dead is scared of the phone."

— Robbie Sturgess

In a market obsessed with "Contract Recurring Revenue," Martin Doig and Robbie Sturgess did the opposite. They built Verto People into a 38-head, 99% Perm agency that is rapidly scaling across the UK and US.

In this episode, they break down exactly how they did it—from hiring specifically for "call reluctance" to giving away 25% of the business to their team.

Derry Holt
Host

Derry Holt

CEO, OneUp Sales
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Martin Doig
Guest

Martin Doig

Director, Verto People
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Robbie Sturgess
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Robbie Sturgess

Director, Verto People
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11:34
Why they failed in Germany (but won in the US)
16:17
"Cold Calling is alive" - The controversial truth
22:23
The "Squid Game" Sales Day Strategy
51:06
Why AI is an efficiency tool, not a replacement

What we cover in this episode

The 99% Perm Model

Why Verto stuck to their guns when the industry said "pivot to contract," and how they make it work.

US Expansion

How "British Ben" helped them scale from 2 to 16 heads in America in just 12 months.

Equity for All

The exact EMI scheme they use to give 25% of the business back to the team.

Relentless BD

Why "Call Reluctance" is the number one reason they reject a hire.

Turn Insight Into Action

Robbie mentions their "Squid Game" sales day: "We had the graphic on the screen, which we used OneUp for naturally."

You can't drive that kind of office buzz with a whiteboard. OneUp Sales turns your CRM data into live TV leaderboards that actually motivate your team.
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